Hey so this next part is indeed more MadTom music boards, but with some IRC logs and commentary by Nadir that's got a good amount of bizarre ideas about furries, sexuality, and little casual encouraging of suicide. Plus some overly elaborate ideas of gross furry porn and- hmmm actually it definitely could go with a content warning.
But this is primarily just some teenagers being dumb, and all the named individuals here have long since moved beyond this sort of thing. We are again, looking at text written 15 years ago.
The following content contains material which may be offensive to some audiences. This material does not necessarily reflect its creator's current opinions /behaviors.
Specifically, content following this notice contains depictions of or references to:
- Descriptions Of Sexual Assault, Descriptions Of Pornographic Imagery, Use Of Ableist Slurs, Homophobia
<Zaphod`> ... I see, there is a SLIGHT
<Zaphod`> instead of actually fucking
<Zaphod`> you want to fuck people in
moral of the story; godedrp is a dumbass,
let's hope he dies soon.
oh, and that dos should tell him where the
hell to get off rather than putting up
with his stupid shit. that shit ain't cool
as far as i'm concerned dos isn't really
all that furry- when i think of furry, i
think of like terrifying lardasses who're
like thirtysomething and still living with
their parents who draw pictures of like
lola bunny getting r*ped by elmer fudd and
read like sabrina online before going to
conventions to ejaculate on elevator walls
while wearing wolf suits and then consider
those who don't share their "interest" as
"mundane" and out of touch with the way
the world should be (ie. filled with 40
foot tall h*rmaphrodite squirrels who jack
off into like subway cars and that.) and
that the only way to convert someone who
who speaks against their weird insular
cult is to write angry letters justifying
it and saying the perpetrator is guilty of
"hate crimes". *
dos is just a kid who likes anthropomorpic
animals and isn't adverse to the
occasional bit of (non-horrible) porn **,
but is misguided enough to think that this
warrants a r*tarded label. that doesn't
mean he deserves to get shit off of
godedrp, though. and with regards to the
"r*tarded label" bit, there's a lot of it
about, with most other "labels" as well as
furries (goths, otaku etc). it's just that
furries are really dumb. be your own
person, don't stick to an archetype. YOU
ARE MORE THAN THE SUM OF WHAT YOU CONSUME,
DESIRE IS NOT AN OCCUPATION to quote
so, i tease dos about being furry, but i
don't mean anything by it at all. in truth
he's no more so than i am! well, maybe a
my little rant is over! peace.
<Zaphod`> Lets just say, I support
whatever the fuck you wanna do with your
<Dr_Dos> THANKS, BUT YOU HAVE TO DEGRADE
ME FOR IT?
* yes, i have looked deep into the semen-
encrusted maw of furrydom. it's not a
pretty sight, it cost me my innocence to
see pictures of characters from cartoons i
liked when i was like eight having a dick
strapped onto them and portrayed raping
something, or vice versa.
although i never did find that moomin porn
i wanted. honestly people, yiff something
worthwhile for a change I WANT MOOMIN PORN
** much like myself. hey, guys like porn
when they're jerking it. so do chicks.
as far as i'm concerned your "erotica" is
porn too damnit, some of those words are
pretty damn hot when a little imagination
addendum; i would delete this, but since
it's all on zultimate there's not much
point is there? even though dos is not
furry anymore (he is now gay instead,
which is much more normal), i mostly stand
by what i said here though it is a little
also, godedrp remains a fucking idiot.
like, holy shit. every day he remains
alive my faith in darwinism fades that
little bit more. HE'S JUST SO STUPID!
IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM AAAAGGGGGHHHHHH
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Oh hmmm, the end of the article is too close to the end of the content warning material here so I need to pad this out a tiny bit. Apologies.
Here are some mountains from the first Frost game. They're very pretty to look at.
Alright you're in the clear now if you wanted to skip the garbage.
And so that's Frost 2: Ice! A contender for one of ZZT's most storied games with leaks, essays on the nature of furries, an unparalleled soundtrack, stellar visuals, abrupt endings, abandoned sequels, abandoned comics, published years after being discarded, there's a hell of a lot to say about it.
Is it one of the best ZZT games ever made? Not really, no. The fun of Frost 2 doesn't come throwing chicken bones at a not-dog, picking up paddle balls in underground canals, or its grand story that the player learns basically nothing about, but it does stand out. This is Nadir at his zenith graphically, with some beautiful city scenes complementing his already unmatched character artwork. MadTom's music goes half unused, but is something I wish existed in a format other than PC speaker. Together, they combine to make the Frost series an extraordinarily polished feeling game even in this unfinished state.
Nadir laments his writing as being subpar, but I couldn't disagree with him more. Again this isn't the best writing you'll see in a ZZT world, but the bar to clear to be above average is so low that the plot you get is significantly better than most ZZT games. It gets bogged down in lore dumps, characters seem to under-react to what seem like major events, and the hint of the series's greater crisis is barely scratched, yet what is there is compelling enough to easily hold your interest from start to the unfortunately abrupt finish. It will absolutely leave you wanting more. Had there been a Frost 3, I'd already be looking at the calendar counting how long until I felt like I could get away with playing another Zenith Nadir title for this site.
I would have loved to see more of this series, but by its eventually public release in 2007 Nadir was on his way out of college and soon to start his adult life with no time for ZZTing when there was a focus on starting a career. Nadir obviously had planned this series for years and years. ZZTV 6 from 2001 has Martina and an unknown character on one file's title screen, plus a more magically confident Penny on another. ZZTV 7 in 2002 has a nice looking forest which is described as being from Frost (and brings new context to one of the prettier boards in the very Nadir-influenced Algorithm.
I'm going to stop that train of thought here because I'm specifically trying to find a random picture that came up in the Worlds of ZZT Discord recently that was definitely Penny fighting a skeleton and I keep stumbling across more old Frost art. Listen, just look up Nadir's worlds post-2000 and you'll find plenty, particularly in Small Stuff which contains an entire section for Frost related art!
So maybe we never got the complete Frost package, and it's a shame that we didn't, but we almost didn't even get this. It's the realization that this game very nearly just died on an old hard drive that makes me appreciate it that much more. That we have that much more of an understanding of what Nadir was doing in the early 2000s is entirely because I downloaded it in 2004, and Nadir in 2007 realized that it had value and was worth saving properly. This is one of ZZT's better games to play today, and I think a stellar example of the kinds of stories ZZT let its authors share with the world.
frOST - The Soundtrack
And like I've said, I've taken on the task of ripping the music for both Power and Ice. If you're interested in any of the game's music, the frOST - Frost 1/2 Soundtrack page offers a download as well as embed and links to a YouTube playlist for each track.